{"id":1067,"date":"2016-10-13T19:47:45","date_gmt":"2016-10-13T18:47:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/warburton.one-name.net\/?p=1067"},"modified":"2016-10-16T18:22:58","modified_gmt":"2016-10-16T17:22:58","slug":"the-origins-of-the-bakers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/?p=1067","title":{"rendered":"The Origins of the Bakers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My tree of the family of Warburtons the Bakers was taken from a tree they have published in one of their booklets, though I embellished it a bit with information from censuses etc. I starts with Henry born in 1805.<\/p>\n<p>A number of Public Trees on Ancestry show this Henry as the son of Thomas and Sarah nee Wolstenholme, and Thomas in turn as the son of Henry and Alice Thredfield of Haslingden who are included in the Haslingden and Radcliffe clan.<\/p>\n<p>Is this correct? Strictly speaking the dates don&#8217;t match. Henry was 46 in the 1851 census and 48 when he was buried on May 22nd 1853. If these ages are correct he was born between about May 20th 1804 and March 30th 1805. The son of Thomas and Sarah was born on June 26th 1805 and baptised on August 11th.<\/p>\n<p>The growth in nonconformist churches means that not all baptisms are in the parish records, or those nonconformist records that are available, Nevertheless I have found no record of a Henry whose birth or baptism dates fit exactly.<\/p>\n<p>Henry\u2019s place of birth in the 1851 census can be interpreted as Walmersely, whereas Thomas and Sarah\u2019s abode on their Henry\u2019s baptism is Edenfield. Again these two places are close, but not the same being 4 miles apart on opposite sides of the town of Ramsbottom.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand there is no other death of a Henry that fits the details of Thomas and Sarah\u2019s son, leaving Henry of the baker\u2019s clan as the closest match. Also there were four children of Thomas and Sarah born in Walmersley between 1800 and 1803 who might be siblings if the family then moved to Edenfield. Henry might well have been born in Walmersley and not baptised until the family reached Edenfield, or he may simply have been confused because his older siblings were born there. Therefore equating Henry with the son of Thomas and Sarah is probably acceptable.<\/p>\n<p>Linking the Thomas who married Sarah to the son of Henry and Alice of Haslingden is more problematic. Perhaps the only clue to support the link is that Henry is a name frequently used in Haslingden, though it isn\u2019t absent from Bury either.<br \/>\nThe supposed marriage of Thomas and Sarah is at St Mary the Virgin, Bury on June 2nd 1803. Ignoring the fact that this excludes the Walmersley children who were born earlier this introduces many other candidates for this marriage from the Bury itself. For example no fewer than 9 Thomas&#8217;s were baptised in the Bury and Haslingden area between 1774 and 1777. Four of these would fit the supposed burial of Thomas at St John, Bury on December 8th 1842 aged 67.<\/p>\n<p>In all 18 children of Thomas and Sarah (or Sally) were baptised between 1800 and 1815 with 7 different abodes quoted and 3 different chapels used. These include 4 born at Walmersley between 1800 and 1803, 4 born at Edenfield between 1805 and 1809, and 3 born at Ramsbottom between 1811 and 1815.These could be one family though Thomas has 3 different occupations at Edenfield (spinner, carder, and engineer), and a fourth (dyer) at Ramsbottom.<\/p>\n<p>The only other Thomas and Sarah marriages in Lancashire were in 1795 and 1810. Clearly at least one family was moving around, but even so there seems to be a shortage of marriages.<\/p>\n<p>Sorting out these families, and identifying the correct Thomas as the father of each one is not straightforward. 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A number of Public Trees on Ancestry show this Henry as the son of Thomas [&hellip;]<\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_1067\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"1067\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"yes","footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1067","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-post","gallery-content-unit"],"a3_pvc":{"activated":true,"total_views":131,"today_views":0},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1067","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1067"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1067\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1070,"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1067\/revisions\/1070"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1067"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1067"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1067"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}