{"id":4893,"date":"2026-07-21T18:45:38","date_gmt":"2026-07-21T17:45:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/warburton.one-name.net\/?p=4893"},"modified":"2026-07-21T18:45:40","modified_gmt":"2026-07-21T17:45:40","slug":"dna-solves-another-puzzle","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/?p=4893","title":{"rendered":"DNA Solves Another Puzzle"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I recently had an email from Max Harris. He is descended from Mary Warburton who married William Evans at Norton-le-Moors, Staffordshire in 1815. He had been unable to find a baptism for Mary, and although she appears in a number of Public Trees on Ancestry, the details are variable and confusing. Her date of birth was variously given as 1791 or 1796 Her place of birth was Hanley, Staffordshire, and her parents were identified as James Warburton and Mary Bagnall who married at St. John, Burslem in 1795.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Her father, James was described as a potter, and both the Warburton and Bagnall families had been active in the pottery industry of Stoke-on-Trent through the 18th century. Both families were also Catholic so this explains the lack of a baptism record. Mary&#8217;s date of birth was usually based on her age in censuses, and on her age of 87 when she died in 1878. But as we have seen, her parents didn&#8217;t marry until 1795, explaining why her date of birth was sometimes given as 1796. The truth of the matter remains a mystery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Another mystery was James&#8217;s origins. Some of the Public Trees identified him as the James born in Lymm, Cheshire in 1771 to James Warburton and Sarah nee Allen. One of these trees is owned by John Warburton, a member of my DNA Project, and a genetic cousin. My Weaverham clan is based on his tree. Although I had included James&#8217;s birth in 1771, I didn&#8217;t have details of his wife and daughters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A family of Warburton potters were active in the Burslem area through the 18th century. They were descended from Joseph Warburton and Abigail Lowndes who married at Newcastle under Lyme in 1719. Joseph was a potter in Hot Lane. His grandson Jacob (1740-1826) was particularly famous, and a friend of Josiah Wedgwood. He was a Catholic, and also married a Mary Bagnall.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Against this background the identification of James of Lymm as the James who married Mary Bagnall in 1795 seems a stretch. His age at death is close but not exact. There is no known James amongst Joseph\u2019s descendants, but as most baptisms were Catholic and there are no records, not all family members maybe known.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However  Max Harris reports that AncestryDNA has identified he has 3 cousins who are descended from each of the three children of James\u2019s niece Sarah Faulkner and her husband Richard Daintith. The Daintith family lived in Warrington. Sarah was the daughter of James\u2019s elder sister Mary, who married Zacharias Faulkner. This makes the common ancestors of Max and his 3 cousins, James Warburton and Sarah Allen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"> Ancestry describes the matches as follows:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>11cM 2 segments &#8211; third cousin 2x removed.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>9cM 1 segment &#8211; \u00a06th\u00a0cousin.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>8cM 1 segment \u2013 Half 6th cousin<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As the three cousins are more closely related to each other the matches are probably elements of the same match.The second and third matches are distant and possibly random. However an 11 cM match across 2 segments on AncestryDNA is\u00a0statistically real and highly likely to be a legitimate\u00a0match. However, because the segments are quite small, it represents a very distant relationship, typically ranging from a 5th cousin to an 8th cousin, or beyond (Google AI).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Also the links back to James\u2019s sister Mary are documented, so it is reasonable evidence that James the potter was in\u00a0 fact from Lymm. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This raises a further question. Did James move to Stoke to become a potter purely by chance, or could it indicate knowledge of a past link with the family of potters. Peter, the earliest known ancestor\u00a0 of the Weaverham clan is very closely contemporaneous with Joseph the the earliest known ancestor of the potters. Although Joseph is said to be born in Newcastle under Lyme or Cobridge in 1694, no sources are specified, or can be found to support this. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It is not impossible that Peter and Joseph were related and this was still remembered in the late 18th century. However evidence of this link could be difficult to prove unless there are surviving Warburton male descendants of the Potters. Only Y-chromosome DNA could prove a common ancestor who lived 350 or more years ago.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I have updated the Weaverham clan with details of James and Mary&#8217;s family, and reckon it is time to document the Warburton potters, especially as I recently discovered that one of the Josiah Warburtons in my <strong>Warburtons Named Josiah<\/strong> paper was linked to the potters, and turned up in France in the 1840s.<\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div><p id=\"pvc_stats_4893\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"4893\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/warburtonwebsite.net\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p><div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I recently had an email from Max Harris. He is descended from Mary Warburton who married William Evans at Norton-le-Moors, Staffordshire in 1815. He had been unable to find a baptism for Mary, and although she appears in a number of Public Trees on Ancestry, the details are variable and confusing. 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